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		<title>By: Ken Biddle</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/does-this-upset-you/#comment-1626</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 03:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John,
    Ha Ha, you seem to have created a little hornet’s nest of comments here, excellent. My views are simply stated really.

I remember just before Mike announced here was giving away BM 2.0 I received several emails from him telling me I could get BM at a massively reduced price because the packaging was damaged. Now If I had bought that and just before BM 2.0 was given away for free then I guess I would have been a little upset at the timing, but to be honest these thing happen all of the time.

You can go out and buy a new stereo or computer and then next week a new model comes out and the one you bought suddenly becomes old technology. It never seems fair but I&#039;m afraid that life.

Before anyone criticises Mike then perhaps they should reflect on the amount of money he is making with his marketing tactics.

You said yourself John how successful you had been with Butterfly Marketing so in your case it was money well spent.

Anyone out there that has got their copy of BM 2.0 should now sign-up for your course and learn from someone like you with first hand experience how to apply it properly.

Regards
    Ken Biddle]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,<br />
    Ha Ha, you seem to have created a little hornet’s nest of comments here, excellent. My views are simply stated really.</p>
<p>I remember just before Mike announced here was giving away BM 2.0 I received several emails from him telling me I could get BM at a massively reduced price because the packaging was damaged. Now If I had bought that and just before BM 2.0 was given away for free then I guess I would have been a little upset at the timing, but to be honest these thing happen all of the time.</p>
<p>You can go out and buy a new stereo or computer and then next week a new model comes out and the one you bought suddenly becomes old technology. It never seems fair but I&#8217;m afraid that life.</p>
<p>Before anyone criticises Mike then perhaps they should reflect on the amount of money he is making with his marketing tactics.</p>
<p>You said yourself John how successful you had been with Butterfly Marketing so in your case it was money well spent.</p>
<p>Anyone out there that has got their copy of BM 2.0 should now sign-up for your course and learn from someone like you with first hand experience how to apply it properly.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
    Ken Biddle</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Ovenden</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/does-this-upset-you/#comment-1625</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John,

Like you, I bought BFM when it first came out and so I know first hand what a powerful script it is. Does it bother me that it&#039;s now being given away as a free bonus? In a word, no! It&#039; a tactic that many business use both on and offline because it works.

If I buy a product and pay full price for it then I do so conciously and with a view to using it and getting maximum value out of it. What happens to the product after I&#039;ve bought it has no impact on my original decision to buy. I know some people will get upset and feel ripped off but you can&#039;t change the past so my advice is to keep looking forward, not back.

On the other hand, if I am buying a product and it comes together with loads of bonuses then I am even better off. But, I would never buy a product just to get the bonuses. Either I want the product and I&#039;m prepared to invest the asking price in it or I&#039;m not.

Great question to pose though!

Best regards,
Dave Ovenden
http://MyTurboHQ.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Like you, I bought BFM when it first came out and so I know first hand what a powerful script it is. Does it bother me that it&#8217;s now being given away as a free bonus? In a word, no! It&#8217; a tactic that many business use both on and offline because it works.</p>
<p>If I buy a product and pay full price for it then I do so conciously and with a view to using it and getting maximum value out of it. What happens to the product after I&#8217;ve bought it has no impact on my original decision to buy. I know some people will get upset and feel ripped off but you can&#8217;t change the past so my advice is to keep looking forward, not back.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if I am buying a product and it comes together with loads of bonuses then I am even better off. But, I would never buy a product just to get the bonuses. Either I want the product and I&#8217;m prepared to invest the asking price in it or I&#8217;m not.</p>
<p>Great question to pose though!</p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Dave Ovenden<br />
<a href="http://MyTurboHQ.com" rel="nofollow">http://MyTurboHQ.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ray Johnson</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/does-this-upset-you/#comment-1624</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey John,

I have to agree with you! I think this is just classic internet marketing, you see alot of the bigger marketers doing this all the time when launching new products.

Giving away anything online though is a powerfuly tactic, particularly when used on an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.Ray-Johnson.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Internet Marketing Blog&lt;/a&gt; like yours.

Thanks
Ray Johnson]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John,</p>
<p>I have to agree with you! I think this is just classic internet marketing, you see alot of the bigger marketers doing this all the time when launching new products.</p>
<p>Giving away anything online though is a powerfuly tactic, particularly when used on an <a href="http://www.Ray-Johnson.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Internet Marketing Blog</a> like yours.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Ray Johnson</p>
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		<title>By: Alexei Zoubov</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/does-this-upset-you/#comment-1623</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexei Zoubov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I already posted my comment once and came back to read more of readers&#039; comments.

It looks that the majority of respondents think that Mike&#039; products are overpriced. I absolutely agree.

If you watch his videos, that&#039;s what he teaches - how to build a better mousetrap with a better bait and how to be enormously greedy about everything. Does anybody remember Ferengi from Deep Space 9 (Star Trek)? Profit, profit profit!

Onr would think that with all these millions Mike makes, he could be  more reasonable. But.. that&#039;s how he is making millions - the bait is there, get in and get trapped.

This reminds me about the mortgage crisis we are now in,

I personally unsubscribed from all Mike&#039;s lists and any offer that comes from him goes directly into the trash, where it belongs. I won&#039;t  support greed, even if it profits me.

I wish more people do the same, but: &quot;Nobody ever got broke underestimating... &quot; and so on

Alexei http://azsystems.net/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already posted my comment once and came back to read more of readers&#8217; comments.</p>
<p>It looks that the majority of respondents think that Mike&#8217; products are overpriced. I absolutely agree.</p>
<p>If you watch his videos, that&#8217;s what he teaches &#8211; how to build a better mousetrap with a better bait and how to be enormously greedy about everything. Does anybody remember Ferengi from Deep Space 9 (Star Trek)? Profit, profit profit!</p>
<p>Onr would think that with all these millions Mike makes, he could be  more reasonable. But.. that&#8217;s how he is making millions &#8211; the bait is there, get in and get trapped.</p>
<p>This reminds me about the mortgage crisis we are now in,</p>
<p>I personally unsubscribed from all Mike&#8217;s lists and any offer that comes from him goes directly into the trash, where it belongs. I won&#8217;t  support greed, even if it profits me.</p>
<p>I wish more people do the same, but: &#8220;Nobody ever got broke underestimating&#8230; &#8221; and so on</p>
<p>Alexei <a href="http://azsystems.net/" rel="nofollow">http://azsystems.net/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/does-this-upset-you/#comment-1622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t care what Mike does or doesn&#039;t do. I just read it, interesting stuff.
After spending some time here reading the comments, I wonder, what makes people shutting their blinders and behave like lemmings. Looks like our democratic IM world order develops to an online guru dictatorship. Or no, it already happened, as all these brainwashed salespage pitchpage addicted followers of IM fashion are commenting.
Why do I write this?
Because I would like to see here some comments about info products inflation.
INFO PRODUCTS INFLATION!
If you don&#039;t get, what I mean, go on and follow the guru traps, or as we call it here in Germany, the &quot;The Pied Piper of Hamelin&quot;.
YOU don&#039;t need THEM, THEY need YOU!
That&#039;s why they give away for free stuff they worked for hard for like hell.
If this bonus and giveaway crap goes on the info product business will only work in future for a short time, if you give MUCH more for free in bonuses, than your actual product you want to sell is worthwhile. This becomes insane. In the virtual IM world maybe it will last fo a while, but think about it: in the real world, would you sell 4 car tires for some bucks and give a car for free as a bonus? Is this a business model? Only to sell your tires, no matter what??
What a bonus humph anyway besides of that Mike&#039;s stuff is. In case of Mike&#039;s bonuses it will take you about one year to read all that, and about 10 years to apply all that, and it will be outdated next year anyway, and it will keep you from applying this traffic fusion thingie, whatever great stuff that maybe, I don&#039;t care, I just want to be informed about it.
I have about 2gigs of bonuses on my HD, I did not even look at most of it yet, and I probably never will. Bad mistake to waste all that time. Or no, now I know better. All I need for my business is up there between my ears, not on my HD.
INFO PRODUCTS INFLATION!
And all these giveaways anyway. Give away something for free for an email address to build a list of schnorrers, who don&#039;t want to buy anything anyway. And what to sell to them, when they can get it for free next month anyway?
Folks, this will not work anymore very soon.
Soon you will have to give away your cow for free today in order to sell more milk tomorrow, that&#039;s the future business model, great...
The gurus with their monster launches saw the branch not only they themselves, but all we IMs are sitting on, great job, thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care what Mike does or doesn&#8217;t do. I just read it, interesting stuff.<br />
After spending some time here reading the comments, I wonder, what makes people shutting their blinders and behave like lemmings. Looks like our democratic IM world order develops to an online guru dictatorship. Or no, it already happened, as all these brainwashed salespage pitchpage addicted followers of IM fashion are commenting.<br />
Why do I write this?<br />
Because I would like to see here some comments about info products inflation.<br />
INFO PRODUCTS INFLATION!<br />
If you don&#8217;t get, what I mean, go on and follow the guru traps, or as we call it here in Germany, the &#8220;The Pied Piper of Hamelin&#8221;.<br />
YOU don&#8217;t need THEM, THEY need YOU!<br />
That&#8217;s why they give away for free stuff they worked for hard for like hell.<br />
If this bonus and giveaway crap goes on the info product business will only work in future for a short time, if you give MUCH more for free in bonuses, than your actual product you want to sell is worthwhile. This becomes insane. In the virtual IM world maybe it will last fo a while, but think about it: in the real world, would you sell 4 car tires for some bucks and give a car for free as a bonus? Is this a business model? Only to sell your tires, no matter what??<br />
What a bonus humph anyway besides of that Mike&#8217;s stuff is. In case of Mike&#8217;s bonuses it will take you about one year to read all that, and about 10 years to apply all that, and it will be outdated next year anyway, and it will keep you from applying this traffic fusion thingie, whatever great stuff that maybe, I don&#8217;t care, I just want to be informed about it.<br />
I have about 2gigs of bonuses on my HD, I did not even look at most of it yet, and I probably never will. Bad mistake to waste all that time. Or no, now I know better. All I need for my business is up there between my ears, not on my HD.<br />
INFO PRODUCTS INFLATION!<br />
And all these giveaways anyway. Give away something for free for an email address to build a list of schnorrers, who don&#8217;t want to buy anything anyway. And what to sell to them, when they can get it for free next month anyway?<br />
Folks, this will not work anymore very soon.<br />
Soon you will have to give away your cow for free today in order to sell more milk tomorrow, that&#8217;s the future business model, great&#8230;<br />
The gurus with their monster launches saw the branch not only they themselves, but all we IMs are sitting on, great job, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Dyke</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/does-this-upset-you/#comment-1621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stefan Dyke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John,

It&#039;s a great question.

In this particular case it doesn&#039;t bother me, but that&#039;s primarily down to the fact that I haven&#039;t stumped up huge amounts of cash for any of Mike&#039;s products in the past - although I will admit I am getting his monthly newsletter at the moment.

The whole situation reminds me of one of the biggest issues I used to have with the mobile phone operators - the old new vs existing customer promotions. I used to get sick of coming to the end of my contract and learning that if I was a new customer I could have the latest and greatest phone for nothing, but as someone who had spent £500+ over the last 12 months I&#039;d end up paying a small fortune for my &#039;upgrade&#039;.

Thankfully this situation seems to have changed as a lot of the mobile operators offer the same deals regardless of who you are, and in the case of Traffic Fusion I do recall that Mike gave me an opportunity as a subscriber to his monthly newsletter to get it for half price - so credit to him on that front.

I think the biggest risk in this scenario is to ensure that at least some of the bonuses haven&#039;t been released before, I mean if I&#039;ve been a loyal customer who has stumped up for everything Mike (or anybody) has sold in the past and all that they&#039;ve done is make them the bonuses then they will hold no value for me whatsover.

Of course the bonuses shouldn&#039;t be what sell the product, but like most people in my case they can certainly help me to hit the &#039;buy now&#039; button if I&#039;m wavering for any reason. So if I already have all the bonuses and I&#039;m on the fence about the new product you are going to have to do an amazing job with the salesletter to sell it to me, rather than rely on the old &#039;with all these bonuses how can you say no?&#039; technique!

Anyway, that&#039;s my two pence worth - at the end of the day these guys are making millions every year so they must be doing something right.

Stefan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great question.</p>
<p>In this particular case it doesn&#8217;t bother me, but that&#8217;s primarily down to the fact that I haven&#8217;t stumped up huge amounts of cash for any of Mike&#8217;s products in the past &#8211; although I will admit I am getting his monthly newsletter at the moment.</p>
<p>The whole situation reminds me of one of the biggest issues I used to have with the mobile phone operators &#8211; the old new vs existing customer promotions. I used to get sick of coming to the end of my contract and learning that if I was a new customer I could have the latest and greatest phone for nothing, but as someone who had spent £500+ over the last 12 months I&#8217;d end up paying a small fortune for my &#8216;upgrade&#8217;.</p>
<p>Thankfully this situation seems to have changed as a lot of the mobile operators offer the same deals regardless of who you are, and in the case of Traffic Fusion I do recall that Mike gave me an opportunity as a subscriber to his monthly newsletter to get it for half price &#8211; so credit to him on that front.</p>
<p>I think the biggest risk in this scenario is to ensure that at least some of the bonuses haven&#8217;t been released before, I mean if I&#8217;ve been a loyal customer who has stumped up for everything Mike (or anybody) has sold in the past and all that they&#8217;ve done is make them the bonuses then they will hold no value for me whatsover.</p>
<p>Of course the bonuses shouldn&#8217;t be what sell the product, but like most people in my case they can certainly help me to hit the &#8216;buy now&#8217; button if I&#8217;m wavering for any reason. So if I already have all the bonuses and I&#8217;m on the fence about the new product you are going to have to do an amazing job with the salesletter to sell it to me, rather than rely on the old &#8216;with all these bonuses how can you say no?&#8217; technique!</p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s my two pence worth &#8211; at the end of the day these guys are making millions every year so they must be doing something right.</p>
<p>Stefan</p>
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		<title>By: lee</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/does-this-upset-you/#comment-1620</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow! Lots of us $497 librarians. Worse yet are the sellers with work shops or boot camps that charge us for a whole new product when eBay makes their many changes. No support, just pay $497 for a fix. Thank you sir, may I have another!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Lots of us $497 librarians. Worse yet are the sellers with work shops or boot camps that charge us for a whole new product when eBay makes their many changes. No support, just pay $497 for a fix. Thank you sir, may I have another!</p>
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		<title>By: Lucille Crystal</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/does-this-upset-you/#comment-1619</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucille Crystal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John,
 No I don&#039;t agree with what he  did, and yes it would make me upset. I would not let him know that I am upset. I would act as nothing happened and the next time you get the chance to do it to him, DO IT!!!! Only really stick it to him. Maybe he will learn from it and won&#039;t do it again.
 No way would I ever do that to my Marketing Friends and Co-Workers. I would not do that to total strangers I think that is un-ethical.                                             Lucille]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,<br />
 No I don&#8217;t agree with what he  did, and yes it would make me upset. I would not let him know that I am upset. I would act as nothing happened and the next time you get the chance to do it to him, DO IT!!!! Only really stick it to him. Maybe he will learn from it and won&#8217;t do it again.<br />
 No way would I ever do that to my Marketing Friends and Co-Workers. I would not do that to total strangers I think that is un-ethical.                                             Lucille</p>
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		<title>By: John Collins</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/does-this-upset-you/#comment-1618</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Collins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 04:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John - 

Doesn&#039;t bother me. Mike can do what he wants and I&#039;m sure he&#039;s already calculated how many people will be upset and he thinks it&#039;s worth it. Maybe business isn&#039;t going to good for him. A lot of the stuff isn&#039;t probably in big demand at this point. Look at his traffic sites something like 3 now. As soon as one doesn&#039;t produce much he launches another one. Most of the people buying into the new one don&#039;t even know he has others. 

One thing tagging on all those extras does is reduce refunds. Even if the current product is lame people will be hesitant to give up the bonus stuff. Then Mike can claim more success than he could if it was a stand alone no bonus product. Plus he can say 300 more people use each of those bonuses. 

As far as how much a person makes a year doing this stuff there&#039;s a big difference between gross and net especially as the machine gets bigger. A lot of people brag in this business but they use the gross take without mention of the expense. You never here the net because it&#039;s not brag worthy. Just saying. You gotta grease the wheel.

John]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John &#8211; </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t bother me. Mike can do what he wants and I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s already calculated how many people will be upset and he thinks it&#8217;s worth it. Maybe business isn&#8217;t going to good for him. A lot of the stuff isn&#8217;t probably in big demand at this point. Look at his traffic sites something like 3 now. As soon as one doesn&#8217;t produce much he launches another one. Most of the people buying into the new one don&#8217;t even know he has others. </p>
<p>One thing tagging on all those extras does is reduce refunds. Even if the current product is lame people will be hesitant to give up the bonus stuff. Then Mike can claim more success than he could if it was a stand alone no bonus product. Plus he can say 300 more people use each of those bonuses. </p>
<p>As far as how much a person makes a year doing this stuff there&#8217;s a big difference between gross and net especially as the machine gets bigger. A lot of people brag in this business but they use the gross take without mention of the expense. You never here the net because it&#8217;s not brag worthy. Just saying. You gotta grease the wheel.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/does-this-upset-you/#comment-1617</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[William]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes I think IM Marketers need to get out into the real world! In any retail environment you will find items on sale at one price, and perhaps a month or two later find them on sale at a substantial discount.  If you purchased at the full price it may irate you that you missed a substantial discount, but you would not consider it unethical.  Our general tendency is to want things NOW rather than wait for them.  

If you are purchasing a product to help your business and it helps you generate income, then it is a bargain.  If for example you purchased the Butterfly script for $997 and in the three months prior to it being offered for free it earned you $2000, then the purchase was worthwhile.  If on the other hand, you just purchased it because of all the hype and did nothing with it, then it is not surprising you would be irritated if you then saw it offered as a free bonus.

Personally, when I am buying something for the business, whatever it is, I check it out on the internet to see if I can get it cheaper, and then before purchasing, try and determine if it will help me generate income.  If I am not sure, I don&#039;t buy it.  Simple and less stress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I think IM Marketers need to get out into the real world! In any retail environment you will find items on sale at one price, and perhaps a month or two later find them on sale at a substantial discount.  If you purchased at the full price it may irate you that you missed a substantial discount, but you would not consider it unethical.  Our general tendency is to want things NOW rather than wait for them.  </p>
<p>If you are purchasing a product to help your business and it helps you generate income, then it is a bargain.  If for example you purchased the Butterfly script for $997 and in the three months prior to it being offered for free it earned you $2000, then the purchase was worthwhile.  If on the other hand, you just purchased it because of all the hype and did nothing with it, then it is not surprising you would be irritated if you then saw it offered as a free bonus.</p>
<p>Personally, when I am buying something for the business, whatever it is, I check it out on the internet to see if I can get it cheaper, and then before purchasing, try and determine if it will help me generate income.  If I am not sure, I don&#8217;t buy it.  Simple and less stress.</p>
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