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		<title>By: Omar Martin</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/watch-and-learn-part-3/#comment-1415</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree whole-heartedly with Randy. C&#039;mon people,this is sales &amp; marketing we are talking about here. Mike&#039;s offer was in black and white. Absolutely nothing hidden. The debaters and complainers are just freebie seekers that will never really be successful. All businesses require an investment. You can Deal with it and grow or complain about it and watch the rest of us grow. You choose.

Mike is obviously a master of &quot;Raising Impulse&quot; and using the F.I.G.S. ... To be a true sales expert, one must be. It&#039;s the foundation of what I teach at www.HighPerformanceSalesSecrets.com  And trust me, its much easier and more profitable to learn it and use it than to whine and complain about it.

To Your Success,
Omar Martin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree whole-heartedly with Randy. C&#8217;mon people,this is sales &amp; marketing we are talking about here. Mike&#8217;s offer was in black and white. Absolutely nothing hidden. The debaters and complainers are just freebie seekers that will never really be successful. All businesses require an investment. You can Deal with it and grow or complain about it and watch the rest of us grow. You choose.</p>
<p>Mike is obviously a master of &#8220;Raising Impulse&#8221; and using the F.I.G.S. &#8230; To be a true sales expert, one must be. It&#8217;s the foundation of what I teach at <a href="http://www.HighPerformanceSalesSecrets.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.HighPerformanceSalesSecrets.com</a>  And trust me, its much easier and more profitable to learn it and use it than to whine and complain about it.</p>
<p>To Your Success,<br />
Omar Martin</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/watch-and-learn-part-3/#comment-1414</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow.. 300 lists??! I have a long way to go...

Thanks for sharing.

Fred
http://twodollars.biz/fred]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.. 300 lists??! I have a long way to go&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>Fred<br />
<a href="http://twodollars.biz/fred" rel="nofollow">http://twodollars.biz/fred</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roosevelt Cooper</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/watch-and-learn-part-3/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roosevelt Cooper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John,

I&#039;ve known Mike since early 2004.  If you go to his main web site and look at his site map, I own or are a member of at least half the sites on that list if not more.  I estimate I have probably spent several thousands of dollars to Mike&#039;s company directly or from a product he recommended as an affiliate.  However, I&#039;ve earn tens of thousands of dollars in income as a result of the information I&#039;ve learned and I know I haven&#039;t even applied 95% of the information that I have at my disposal.  Mike Filsaime is the real deal.

Regarding the sale process, I don&#039;t have a problem with it.  Give me a break, we are all adults here.  As a marketer you have every right to make me an offer.  I can choose to accept the offer or I can choose to reject the offer.  However, I&#039;m not going to sit here and cry and complain just because you made me an offer.  I mean, come on even McDonalds ask you do you want fries with that or do you want to supersize your meal?

I agree with you completely, if people call themselves marketers and have problems with upselling, not only should they get out of marketing, but they should go GET A JOB and stay there.  They have no business whatsoever anywhere around the entrepreneurial world.

Roosevelt Cooper
http://www.web204mlm.com
-YES my web site has a free offer and YES there is a up sell when you sign up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve known Mike since early 2004.  If you go to his main web site and look at his site map, I own or are a member of at least half the sites on that list if not more.  I estimate I have probably spent several thousands of dollars to Mike&#8217;s company directly or from a product he recommended as an affiliate.  However, I&#8217;ve earn tens of thousands of dollars in income as a result of the information I&#8217;ve learned and I know I haven&#8217;t even applied 95% of the information that I have at my disposal.  Mike Filsaime is the real deal.</p>
<p>Regarding the sale process, I don&#8217;t have a problem with it.  Give me a break, we are all adults here.  As a marketer you have every right to make me an offer.  I can choose to accept the offer or I can choose to reject the offer.  However, I&#8217;m not going to sit here and cry and complain just because you made me an offer.  I mean, come on even McDonalds ask you do you want fries with that or do you want to supersize your meal?</p>
<p>I agree with you completely, if people call themselves marketers and have problems with upselling, not only should they get out of marketing, but they should go GET A JOB and stay there.  They have no business whatsoever anywhere around the entrepreneurial world.</p>
<p>Roosevelt Cooper<br />
<a href="http://www.web204mlm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.web204mlm.com</a><br />
-YES my web site has a free offer and YES there is a up sell when you sign up!</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/watch-and-learn-part-3/#comment-1412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rhonda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the things I learnt from all this was, not to upsell or oversell too much, as it&#039;s alot for people to take in all at once!...and that&#039;s my own personal opinion, which may not be everyone elses, but just because I saw a negative, doesn&#039;t mean I didn&#039;t learn any positives!!

Even though I know there is a hell of alot to learn from this experience, and it&#039;s no wonder the guy makes millions, I found the whole thing to be extremely overwhelming! 

I had windows opened up all over my screen!! lol (maybe it&#039;s my inexperience, who knows!)

As you say John, you learn good and bad from these type of marketers.  I&#039;m not complaining about the fact it overwhelmed me, as I still get not only good and bad experience from it, but a ton of information for $12!!!

I must admit though, quite seriously John, I was more interested in getting your free stuff than his!!! hehehehe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I learnt from all this was, not to upsell or oversell too much, as it&#8217;s alot for people to take in all at once!&#8230;and that&#8217;s my own personal opinion, which may not be everyone elses, but just because I saw a negative, doesn&#8217;t mean I didn&#8217;t learn any positives!!</p>
<p>Even though I know there is a hell of alot to learn from this experience, and it&#8217;s no wonder the guy makes millions, I found the whole thing to be extremely overwhelming! </p>
<p>I had windows opened up all over my screen!! lol (maybe it&#8217;s my inexperience, who knows!)</p>
<p>As you say John, you learn good and bad from these type of marketers.  I&#8217;m not complaining about the fact it overwhelmed me, as I still get not only good and bad experience from it, but a ton of information for $12!!!</p>
<p>I must admit though, quite seriously John, I was more interested in getting your free stuff than his!!! hehehehe</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/watch-and-learn-part-3/#comment-1411</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, just finished reading the thread on the warrior forum, took over   2 hours.

At the end of the day, apart from Mark Joyner, Mike is probably the most respected internet marketer of all. He has always been up front with his products and this was no different.

He&#039;s shipping a physical product and making a loss with it and people are not expecting an upsell? 

I personally could not see anything wrong with the way it was marketed. I signed up on the first day and knew exactly what i was getting. Yes it was FC, so what. Was it hidden ? Not to me it wasn&#039;t. I can read and do have a very small ounce of common sense.

I think what was a breath of fresh air was the way John marketed it as well. Instead of lambasting us with emails about this &#039;must have product&#039;, he totally changed the angle and made it into a learning exercise, one lesson in which we could all use if we want to make any money in this game.

I also agree with staying on all lists. Many marketers use different tactics, we can learn from them all, good and bad. I may not read all the bodies, but I do take note of many of the headlines used.

Thanks
Simon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, just finished reading the thread on the warrior forum, took over   2 hours.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, apart from Mark Joyner, Mike is probably the most respected internet marketer of all. He has always been up front with his products and this was no different.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s shipping a physical product and making a loss with it and people are not expecting an upsell? </p>
<p>I personally could not see anything wrong with the way it was marketed. I signed up on the first day and knew exactly what i was getting. Yes it was FC, so what. Was it hidden ? Not to me it wasn&#8217;t. I can read and do have a very small ounce of common sense.</p>
<p>I think what was a breath of fresh air was the way John marketed it as well. Instead of lambasting us with emails about this &#8216;must have product&#8217;, he totally changed the angle and made it into a learning exercise, one lesson in which we could all use if we want to make any money in this game.</p>
<p>I also agree with staying on all lists. Many marketers use different tactics, we can learn from them all, good and bad. I may not read all the bodies, but I do take note of many of the headlines used.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Simon</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas, W of pond</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/watch-and-learn-part-3/#comment-1410</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least people know they need to cancel or continue a membership fee, I opted in on a succesful marketers list and purchased a dvd. In the fine print somewhere on pg 3 of agreement was the charges that would be on my credit card if I do not cancel. Blackhat tactics?
I guess he told me about it but who reads all those agreements?!?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least people know they need to cancel or continue a membership fee, I opted in on a succesful marketers list and purchased a dvd. In the fine print somewhere on pg 3 of agreement was the charges that would be on my credit card if I do not cancel. Blackhat tactics?<br />
I guess he told me about it but who reads all those agreements?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McWilliams</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/watch-and-learn-part-3/#comment-1409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark McWilliams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was some debate over on the Warrior Forum! While I visit the place everyday, I tend not to watch many threads! But after heading back over to find it&#039;s not been locked, I can almost see why!!!

So clicking on the no button each time I was offered an OTO was maybe a little boring and a bit of a pain, but I looked at it from the point that I was receiving a lot of value for my $12 I spent on shipping. &lt;i&gt;(Purely because it&#039;s coming to the UK!)&lt;/i&gt;

I made perfect sense of what the WHOLE offer was and knew that I could call up Mike&#039;s office and ask that they stop the billing for the magazine! &lt;i&gt;*It&#039;s not rocket science, and will take a matter of minutes!*&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;m looking forward to my package arriving at the front door, and delving into what I&#039;m sent!

Now this example might be a little rough, but I believe it&#039;s the same kind of principle! Let me begin...

We have &#039;ProductA&#039; which happens to be a membership site. It&#039;s been online for a good year now and hase received rave reviews from marketer&#039;s alike. The marketer who owns &#039;ProductA&#039; decides that he&#039;s wanting to do some kind of promotion to attract potential new members.

What does he do?

As I see it, one of the ways is to offer a month free. You signup knowing that the first month is free, but ALSO know that you&#039;ll be billed every month after UNLESS you cancel. &lt;i&gt;(Funny that, cause that&#039;s what Mike said and it was clear as a whistle!)&lt;/i&gt; So during that month you decide that you&#039;d rather not receive next months. You do what&#039;s required to cancel your membership at &#039;ProductA&#039; and that&#039;s it.

In my eyes there are people treating Mike like dirt, but at the end of the day he knows how to market products and make money. I&#039;ve learn&#039;t a thing or two...and so has John by the looks of things!

&lt;i&gt;Awaits the best deal of 2008 coming through my door!&lt;/i&gt; :D

Thanks
Mark]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was some debate over on the Warrior Forum! While I visit the place everyday, I tend not to watch many threads! But after heading back over to find it&#8217;s not been locked, I can almost see why!!!</p>
<p>So clicking on the no button each time I was offered an OTO was maybe a little boring and a bit of a pain, but I looked at it from the point that I was receiving a lot of value for my $12 I spent on shipping. <i>(Purely because it&#8217;s coming to the UK!)</i></p>
<p>I made perfect sense of what the WHOLE offer was and knew that I could call up Mike&#8217;s office and ask that they stop the billing for the magazine! <i>*It&#8217;s not rocket science, and will take a matter of minutes!*</i> I&#8217;m looking forward to my package arriving at the front door, and delving into what I&#8217;m sent!</p>
<p>Now this example might be a little rough, but I believe it&#8217;s the same kind of principle! Let me begin&#8230;</p>
<p>We have &#8216;ProductA&#8217; which happens to be a membership site. It&#8217;s been online for a good year now and hase received rave reviews from marketer&#8217;s alike. The marketer who owns &#8216;ProductA&#8217; decides that he&#8217;s wanting to do some kind of promotion to attract potential new members.</p>
<p>What does he do?</p>
<p>As I see it, one of the ways is to offer a month free. You signup knowing that the first month is free, but ALSO know that you&#8217;ll be billed every month after UNLESS you cancel. <i>(Funny that, cause that&#8217;s what Mike said and it was clear as a whistle!)</i> So during that month you decide that you&#8217;d rather not receive next months. You do what&#8217;s required to cancel your membership at &#8216;ProductA&#8217; and that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>In my eyes there are people treating Mike like dirt, but at the end of the day he knows how to market products and make money. I&#8217;ve learn&#8217;t a thing or two&#8230;and so has John by the looks of things!</p>
<p><i>Awaits the best deal of 2008 coming through my door!</i> 😀</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Mark</p>
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		<title>By: DesDrec</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/watch-and-learn-part-3/#comment-1408</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you John. Mike is clearly a leader in this field and why not learn from the best I say. It&#039;s not down to the marketer to lead the customer by the hand and highlight each and every detail on the sales page. Most of us are educated human beings who can read. It&#039;s up to the customer to take responsibility for what they sign up for. 

I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s ok to hide elements of the FC, but what I am saying is that as marketers we&#039;re here to make money ethically, and not try to persuade our customers NOT TO BUY.

My 2cents

Cheers,

DesDrec.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you John. Mike is clearly a leader in this field and why not learn from the best I say. It&#8217;s not down to the marketer to lead the customer by the hand and highlight each and every detail on the sales page. Most of us are educated human beings who can read. It&#8217;s up to the customer to take responsibility for what they sign up for. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s ok to hide elements of the FC, but what I am saying is that as marketers we&#8217;re here to make money ethically, and not try to persuade our customers NOT TO BUY.</p>
<p>My 2cents</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>DesDrec.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue French</title>
		<link>https://johnthornhillonline.com/blog/watch-and-learn-part-3/#comment-1407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sue French]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John,
Wow, 300 lists! How do you keep up with them all? I am finding I spend far too much time compulsively reading mails - compulsively, because I must read them otherwise I might just miss out on something important.
I personally found Mike&#039;s upsell, OTO, forced continuity process rather long-winded and was a tad confused by the time I reached the end of it. I can understand the process, though, and did look on it as a learning experience,thanks to your &quot;watch and learn&quot; posts. 
The process obviously works.
Thanks for your great advice, John.

Cheers
Sue]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,<br />
Wow, 300 lists! How do you keep up with them all? I am finding I spend far too much time compulsively reading mails &#8211; compulsively, because I must read them otherwise I might just miss out on something important.<br />
I personally found Mike&#8217;s upsell, OTO, forced continuity process rather long-winded and was a tad confused by the time I reached the end of it. I can understand the process, though, and did look on it as a learning experience,thanks to your &#8220;watch and learn&#8221; posts.<br />
The process obviously works.<br />
Thanks for your great advice, John.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Sue</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randy Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally - I find it all very amusing.

On the Warrior Forum so many are complaining about the Forced Continuity....and yet it&#039;s as old as the hills...
The difference I think - is that Mike has been tarnished with the same brush as those who do it in a sneaky fashion.

Mikes offer was upfront....and as for upsells and downsells etc.... Has no-one ever bought a Domain name for goodness sakes?????

GoDaddy must have around 16 upsell offers before you can JUST get the domain you wanted ... and we never hear the masses complaining..

I said on my blog - I didn&#039;t have a problem with Mike&#039;s offer - as it was upfront, you could see straight away what you were signing for, I even told my reader to come here and use your affy link John, as your bonuses were more than worth any hassle of saying no thanks to multiple offers...

My only gripe was that he didn&#039;t use paypal - which he explained in the warrior posts as to why he didn&#039;t.

People seem to forget that Mike was a Salesman in his former life - so he knows things that everyday people don&#039;t...... and yet, here they are complaining at being shown valuable lessons...

It&#039;s as if they want to say - fine - we know you know your stuff - but please now change into people like us who earn nothing so we can all feel better about the world....LOL

Now let&#039;s all write to Love Films or Blockbusters or Readers Digest ... and tell them how mad we are about them using Forced Continuity! ;)

pmsl

Seriously - the big lesson is that FC works - just don&#039;t be sneaky with it!


Randy
http://www.MoreMonthly.com
(Oh it&#039;s a membership - excellent value, but flippin heck - you pay every month...hehe)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally &#8211; I find it all very amusing.</p>
<p>On the Warrior Forum so many are complaining about the Forced Continuity&#8230;.and yet it&#8217;s as old as the hills&#8230;<br />
The difference I think &#8211; is that Mike has been tarnished with the same brush as those who do it in a sneaky fashion.</p>
<p>Mikes offer was upfront&#8230;.and as for upsells and downsells etc&#8230;. Has no-one ever bought a Domain name for goodness sakes?????</p>
<p>GoDaddy must have around 16 upsell offers before you can JUST get the domain you wanted &#8230; and we never hear the masses complaining..</p>
<p>I said on my blog &#8211; I didn&#8217;t have a problem with Mike&#8217;s offer &#8211; as it was upfront, you could see straight away what you were signing for, I even told my reader to come here and use your affy link John, as your bonuses were more than worth any hassle of saying no thanks to multiple offers&#8230;</p>
<p>My only gripe was that he didn&#8217;t use paypal &#8211; which he explained in the warrior posts as to why he didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>People seem to forget that Mike was a Salesman in his former life &#8211; so he knows things that everyday people don&#8217;t&#8230;&#8230; and yet, here they are complaining at being shown valuable lessons&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if they want to say &#8211; fine &#8211; we know you know your stuff &#8211; but please now change into people like us who earn nothing so we can all feel better about the world&#8230;.LOL</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s all write to Love Films or Blockbusters or Readers Digest &#8230; and tell them how mad we are about them using Forced Continuity! 😉</p>
<p>pmsl</p>
<p>Seriously &#8211; the big lesson is that FC works &#8211; just don&#8217;t be sneaky with it!</p>
<p>Randy<br />
<a href="http://www.MoreMonthly.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.MoreMonthly.com</a><br />
(Oh it&#8217;s a membership &#8211; excellent value, but flippin heck &#8211; you pay every month&#8230;hehe)</p>
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